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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5288142" data-attributes="member: 78116">I have since had a run of this Dragon with a 4th level party from Marauders of the Astral Sea (levelled them from 3-4). Let me 100% assure you this monster is a solo by every definition. He needs absolutely no friends to kick the complete ass off a party. At the end, from being completely fresh and all the metagaming I could muster, all characters were brutally mauled and expended a good chunk of action points/dailies. A couple went down during the fight, but it worked really well and was very fun.He doesn't need friends.This is a level 4 solo lurker that genuinely challenges a level 4 party by himself. Anything else you want to throw on that is just making it even more brutal. I believe what we're seeing with new solo design is that you can put other things with it, but you don't have to and they genuinely work as solos in many cases. This is a good thing.Note my test fight done under the following conditions:Maptools beta 70Level 4 Half-Orc WardenLevel 4 Shardmind MonkLevel 4 Wilden ShamanLevel 4 Goliath WizardLevel 4 Gnome BardPlanet Bowling Ball*Normal initiative.Party has maximum resourcesThe party is real - it's a mirror of my IRL games party but everything else I acknowledge is very artificial including some of my assumptions. The point of this is that if it could easily overwhelm a party with zero terrain support and similar that would be a huge issue. As it was they won comfortably - but they still took a royal beating. Exactly what you'd want from a solo.*No terrain. I would definitely have terrain in this fight to make it more dynamic and interesting. Actually I thought the battle went very well despite these extremely simplistic and artificial conditions. Terrain and other things will only make it better.</blockquote>

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