Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 8046452" data-attributes="member: 6787503">This is a very persuasive argument. I agree with you that to do with point-buy what the 4 ASI points do that variant human doesn't get in exchange for a feat and a skill would require 5 points in point-buy because raising a 13 to a 14 costs two points in point-buy. But that isn't quite what we're discussing. We're discussing taking away some number of point-buy points that would raise scores up to something like the level of the standard array, so those two points might not have raised a 13 to a 14. They could just as easily have raised an 11 to a 13.I think the best way to look at this is to compare end results. A standard human with the standard array has an array of 16, 15, 14, 13, 11, 9. The variant human with the standard array has an array of 16, 15, 13, 12, 10, 8. For the standard human to end up with the same array as the variant, it would need to start with an array of 15, 14, 12, 11, 9, 7, a 23 point array assuming dropping to 7 gives you an extra point. Now of course the variant could use one of its ASI points to raise its 13 to a 14, ending up with an array of 16, 14, 14, 12, 10, 8, for which the standard human would have needed to start with 15, 13, 13, 11, 9, 7, a 22 point array, but I don't think its a good idea to err on the side of being punitive. (Edit to add: Besides, I can't work out a good array for 22 points.)I also don't agree that a feat equals four skills. The Skilled feat only gives you three skills, so I think that establishes a 3:1 skill to feat ratio. I wouldn't separate them in an option like this that's balanced with a diminished point-buy. The feat and the skill would come as a package because (IMO) the 4 ASI points aren't equally valued. (Further edit: Although, once they’d been converted into point buy, I suppose you could say that each of the 4 point-buy points was equal and that the feat was worth 3 and the skill worth 1. I still wouldn’t do it though because I find 24 point point-buy as unwieldy as 22 point.)</blockquote>

Verification