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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8084189" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Maybe you would, but I wouldn't. Even at level 20 a party of 4 PCs against 3 CR 13 creatures would be a &quot;deadly&quot; encounter.Anyway, that is just difference in game style. So, let's break it down the chance of a tier 4 caster losing concentration against a storm giant's rock...AC 22 (Robe of Arch Magi AC 15, DEX +3, Bracers +2, Staff of Power +2), 27 with a shield spell.+14 to attack roll means a 13 or higher, so 40% chance to hit (low by 5E standards which assumes about 65%)The chance of rolling 40 or higher is only 26.43% for a DC 20 save.CON save modifier of +11 (+9 base with CON 16 and +2 for staff of power) means a 9 or higher. With advantage from War Caster, and the chance of failing the concentration check is only 16%.So, for all those events to unfold, you have 0.40 x 0.2643 x 0.16 or 0.0169152 or about 1 in 60 against a DC 20. Of course, the total cumulative chance is higher given any hit (but still only about 5%), but you can still see how the odds favor the caster in this case.So, they should just walk all over everything because they can throw out a high magic spell in just about each encounter, assuming the typical &quot;adventuring day&quot;.Look, I don't want super-hero games and so I proposed this idea, which I discussed with another member of our group in the past and he agreed. I am all for such character having one &quot;whammy&quot; spell/effect a day, which can help turn the tide of an encounter. I just don't think they need half a dozen.Obviously you aren't for the idea (which is fine BTW, I know it won't appeal to many), so thanks for your input but can we leave it at that?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8084189, member: 6987520"] Maybe you would, but I wouldn't. Even at level 20 a party of 4 PCs against 3 CR 13 creatures would be a "deadly" encounter. Anyway, that is just difference in game style. So, let's break it down the chance of a tier 4 caster losing concentration against a storm giant's rock... AC 22 (Robe of Arch Magi AC 15, DEX +3, Bracers +2, Staff of Power +2), 27 with a [I]shield[/I] spell. +14 to attack roll means a 13 or higher, so 40% chance to hit (low by 5E standards which assumes about 65%) The chance of rolling 40 or higher is only 26.43% for a DC 20 save. CON save modifier of +11 (+9 base with CON 16 and +2 for staff of power) means a 9 or higher. With advantage from War Caster, and the chance of failing the concentration check is only 16%. So, for all those events to unfold, you have 0.40 x 0.2643 x 0.16 or 0.0169152 or about 1 in 60 against a DC 20. Of course, the total cumulative chance is higher given [I]any[/I] hit (but still only about 5%), but you can still see how the odds favor the caster in this case. So, they should just walk all over everything because they can throw out a high magic spell in just about each encounter, assuming the typical "adventuring day". Look, [I]I[/I] don't want super-hero games and so I proposed this idea, which I discussed with another member of our group in the past and he agreed. I am all for such character having one "whammy" spell/effect a day, which can help turn the tide of an encounter. I just don't think they need half a dozen. Obviously you aren't for the idea (which [I]is[/I] fine BTW, I know it won't appeal to many), so thanks for your input but can we leave it at that? [/QUOTE]

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