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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5469677" data-attributes="member: 35909">Good or not good is irrelevant.  One is a skill bonus.  The other lets you use the skill when you normally could not.  Apples to oranges.  The only thing the two have in common is the naming and the skill they relate to.  You said the rogue gets a weaker version of ranger's camo.  What they get is nothing at all like ranger's camo.  Do you understand the difference?Because area effects aren't always reflex saves?  Because they're fairly common, so even when it's Reflex, there's a good chance of failing eventually?<a href="http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html#skill-focus" target="_blank">Feats</a>It's +1 better but only in one type of terrain and with a chance of being lost.  Until level 10, when it's just plain worse.  Kind of reminds me of 3.5's Combat Casting feat and how it was a trap because for only 1 lower bonus, the (far from powerful itself) Skill Focus feat applied all the time without condition.Maybe, I don't know.  My experience has been that ever since Perception was turned into a GOD skill, by taking two already very good skills and one pretty good skill and bundling them all together, every single character has ranks in it, and half of the party is very good at it.  The fun thing about skills like Hide is that all it takes is one failure to make the entire exercise a failure.  Maybe Rogue gets enough to sneak past enemies, I'd hope so.  But I wouldn't want to try it without the party within 1 round's run action away.</blockquote>

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