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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9889281" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Got ya.  To me the subclass often is the driver for what your most impactful thing to do is.  Which is to say all the Barbarian subclasses are going to feel quite different in actual play.Sticking with your Barbarian example:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Berserker - will feel like a damage god, but not super tanky.  Usually sturdy enough, but nothing special.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Zealot - playstyle can closely match Beserker, but he can also play alot more tanky while still dishing out very good damage due to his subclass features not requiring reckless attack to activate.  The bonus action healing is really strong in this range when coupled with rage damage resistance as well.  If taking sentinel he can keep an enemy on himself as good as if not better than World Tree.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wildheart - For typical encounters you most likely want to really lean into his mobility.  This allows for some nice hit and run tactics and quickly getting on top of priority targets.  Also, if fighting high non bps damage enemies, he can instead use bear instead of eagle to really increase survivability.  Not often as good as Zealot or Berserker by the numbers but it doesn't take very many turns of the extra movement enabling extra hits or preventing attacks to push him up higher than the numbers suggest in actual play.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">World Tree - Intended as the support Barbarian, however the 10ft distance requirement to grant an ally temp hp really hampers the usefulness.  Potentially good in tight dungeons or if you often have multiple melee allies dogpiling a single enemy.  But generally my experience suggests that melee allies tend to spread out to engage with enemies on different fronts and that it's tactically best for them to do so to ensure the damage they take gets spread out instead of concentrated (essentially anti-party focus fire tactics).</li> </ul>I would find it difficult to rate the Barbarian as a class when each of their subclasses have such different impact profiles.  I could rate each subclass individually and then perhaps average out a class rating.  Potential rankings (might be lowered a bit depending on how other classes subclasses look in comparison as I dig in and depending on how much i should rate out of combat abilities).Berserker AZealot A+Wildheart B- (potential for B)Worldtree B (potential in the right campaign, ie lots of small dungeons, or party, ie many melee allies for S)EDIT:I did decide to lower Wildheart a bit, he doesn't get his quasi flight ability till 14th level, outside the band i'm looking at.  His level 6 and 10 features are mostly ribbons at least for combat.Also slightly increased world tree B- to B for base.  He does get some self temp hp.  The real icing is if he can get his temp hp to target allies while still optimally contributing in damage, at that point he morphs into one of the best possible barbarians.</blockquote>

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