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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 2216344" data-attributes="member: 707"><p>While I agree with this sentiment, this isn't one of those cases where I believe a House Rule is necessary. Saving Throws aren't merely manifestations of their linked ability scores. They also represent the dumb luck of a hero. Succeeding at a saving throw doesn't necessarily mean you were quick enough to avoid the <em>fireball</em>, hearty enough to withstand the poison, or strong-willed enough to resist the <em>dominate</em>.</p><p></p><p>The sleeping mage has chosen to place his bedroll right next to a steep, two-foot incline. In the middle of the night a foe sneaks into the camp and casts a <em>Fireball</em> at him, but just as the <em>Fireball</em> hits, the mage happens to roll over and roll down the incline, which shields him from the flames...</p><p></p><p>==================</p><p></p><p>The fighter is doing battle with a rogue bearing a poisoned blade. The rogue scores a hit, anticipating the poison to quickly incapacitate the fighter, but nothing happens.</p><p></p><p>"You should be poisoned!" the rogue exclaims.</p><p></p><p>The fighter shrugs, "I don't know, maybe it had something to do with that moldy hamburger I had for lunch. It <em>did</em> taste kinda funny...."</p><p></p><p>==================</p><p></p><p>The vampire grins at the cleric. "Now you shall become my pawn." He captures the cleric's gaze and begins to overwhelm his will, but even as he does so the cleric notices the birthmark on the vampire's forehead, which looks remarkably like the Celestial rune for "rear-end." Even as the magic of the vampire's attack nears completion, the cleric starts to laugh uncontrollably. What are the odds that he'd encounter a vampire with the rune for "butt" written large on his forehead! Amusement floods his thoughts, and the vampire's grin turns to a grimace of astonishment as his magic is dissipated.</p><p></p><p>"But how--?" growls the vampire.</p><p></p><p>"But...?" The cleric's laughter only increases.</p><p></p><p>Saving Throws represent luck, karma, even random chance. These things aren't often denied, even when their linked attributes are. And that's exactly how I'd have it work. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lord Pendragon, post: 2216344, member: 707"] While I agree with this sentiment, this isn't one of those cases where I believe a House Rule is necessary. Saving Throws aren't merely manifestations of their linked ability scores. They also represent the dumb luck of a hero. Succeeding at a saving throw doesn't necessarily mean you were quick enough to avoid the [I]fireball[/I], hearty enough to withstand the poison, or strong-willed enough to resist the [I]dominate[/I]. The sleeping mage has chosen to place his bedroll right next to a steep, two-foot incline. In the middle of the night a foe sneaks into the camp and casts a [i]Fireball[/i] at him, but just as the [i]Fireball[/i] hits, the mage happens to roll over and roll down the incline, which shields him from the flames... ================== The fighter is doing battle with a rogue bearing a poisoned blade. The rogue scores a hit, anticipating the poison to quickly incapacitate the fighter, but nothing happens. "You should be poisoned!" the rogue exclaims. The fighter shrugs, "I don't know, maybe it had something to do with that moldy hamburger I had for lunch. It [i]did[/i] taste kinda funny...." ================== The vampire grins at the cleric. "Now you shall become my pawn." He captures the cleric's gaze and begins to overwhelm his will, but even as he does so the cleric notices the birthmark on the vampire's forehead, which looks remarkably like the Celestial rune for "rear-end." Even as the magic of the vampire's attack nears completion, the cleric starts to laugh uncontrollably. What are the odds that he'd encounter a vampire with the rune for "butt" written large on his forehead! Amusement floods his thoughts, and the vampire's grin turns to a grimace of astonishment as his magic is dissipated. "But how--?" growls the vampire. "But...?" The cleric's laughter only increases. Saving Throws represent luck, karma, even random chance. These things aren't often denied, even when their linked attributes are. And that's exactly how I'd have it work. :) [/QUOTE]
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