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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1491331" data-attributes="member: 1656">Hyp says the opposite, based on the quote from Evasion Silveras provided.However, a Medium creature standing in a 10 foot room that gets hit with a fireball does not lack room to move... even though the fireball's area encompasses the entire room.We know that a creature making a Reflex save does not leave his own square except under certain specific circumstances (save vs a falling Wall of Iron, for instance, allows creatures to &quot;flee the falling wall&quot;).&nbsp; Therefore a creature standing in the middle of a boundless plain, and a creature standing in a ten foot room, and a creature standing in a five foot room, all have the same &quot;room to move&quot; (assuming a Medium creature) - since he never leaves his square, he's only using five feet of space no matter how large the area around him is.However, a Medium creature in a 2.5' tunnel does not have &quot;room to move&quot; (the example given in the Evasion description, from memory), and cannot use Evasion... as with a Reflex save for any creature.The person in the ten foot room being fireballed can make a Reflex save.&nbsp; The person squeezed into the 2.5' tunnel cannot.For the unconscious, held, paralyzed, or otherwise helpless person, who - with a Dex of zero - cannot move at all, no amount of room is &quot;room to move&quot;.&nbsp; A 2.5' tunnel is not enough room to allow the helpless character to move.&nbsp; A 10' room is not enough room to allow the helpless character to move.&nbsp; A boundless plain is not enough room to allow the helpless character to move.&nbsp; And so he cannot use Evasion... as with a Reflex save for any creature.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1491331, member: 1656"] Hyp says the opposite, based on the quote from Evasion Silveras provided. However, a Medium creature standing in a 10 foot room that gets hit with a fireball does not lack room to move... even though the fireball's area encompasses the entire room. We know that a creature making a Reflex save does not leave his own square except under certain specific circumstances (save vs a falling Wall of Iron, for instance, allows creatures to "flee the falling wall"). Therefore a creature standing in the middle of a boundless plain, and a creature standing in a ten foot room, and a creature standing in a five foot room, all have the same "room to move" (assuming a Medium creature) - since he never leaves his square, he's only using five feet of space no matter how large the area around him is. However, a Medium creature in a 2.5' tunnel does [i]not[/i] have "room to move" (the example given in the Evasion description, from memory), and cannot use Evasion... [i]as with a Reflex save for any creature[/i]. The person in the ten foot room being fireballed can make a Reflex save. The person squeezed into the 2.5' tunnel cannot. For the unconscious, held, paralyzed, or otherwise helpless person, who - with a Dex of zero - [i]cannot move at all[/i], no amount of room is "room to move". A 2.5' tunnel is not enough room to allow the helpless character to move. A 10' room is not enough room to allow the helpless character to move. A boundless plain is not enough room to allow the helpless character to move. And so he cannot use Evasion... [i]as with a Reflex save for any creature[/i]. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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