Reflex Save while sleeping?

[Legildur]

I'm sure it's been answered before, but what's the story with making Reflex saves while sleeping?

I've found a few references to Helpless (sleeping) characters and Dex bonus to AC, but not for saves. I figure that they either:

1. Don't get Reflex save at all. That is, auto fail; or

2. Do get save, but have effective Dex of 0 (-5 penalty to save).

Help please!!

 

[Hypersmurf]

I'm sure it's been answered before, but what's the story with making Reflex saves while sleeping?

I've found a few references to Helpless (sleeping) characters and Dex bonus to AC, but not for saves. I figure that they either:

1. Don't get Reflex save at all. That is, auto fail; or

2. Do get save, but have effective Dex of 0 (-5 penalty to save).

Read the entry for Evasion on DMG p76 (from memory), and make your own call...

(And for the record, uh-oh...)

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Try here for 60 posts on the topic - the thread's still on the front page

-Hyp.