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<blockquote data-quote="IceBear" data-source="post: 78174" data-attributes="member: 1118">Name 3 less?&nbsp; We have the same number of spells as before that cause insta-death, and perhaps more with the splatbooks (look at the Miasma thread).&nbsp; Then with the way some spells are delievered (like harm) they are easier to hurt/kill someone with.Honestly, objects, which don't have ability scores, have a Dex of 0 when it comes to attacking them, and they can't make a Reflex save.&nbsp; I think a PC with 0 dex is in the same boat.Sure, if they have some sort of magical item of protection, I might allow that to function, but a completely stripped paralyzed person is the same as an object when it comes to reflex saves, in my opinion.&nbsp; I'd allow them to make Fortitude and Will saves.&nbsp; And, most of the insta-death spells require one of those two.If you can CdG (which is a insta-death method added in 3E)someone who is held, being unable to make a Reflex save is the least of their worries.IceBearPS - If you've been allowing PCs to intentionally through themselves off 100 foot cliffs for years, then you should use the death due to massive damage rules more often.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="IceBear, post: 78174, member: 1118"] Name 3 less? We have the same number of spells as before that cause insta-death, and perhaps more with the splatbooks (look at the Miasma thread). Then with the way some spells are delievered (like harm) they are easier to hurt/kill someone with. Honestly, objects, which don't have ability scores, have a Dex of 0 when it comes to attacking them, and they can't make a Reflex save. I think a PC with 0 dex is in the same boat. Sure, if they have some sort of magical item of protection, I might allow that to function, but a completely stripped paralyzed person is the same as an object when it comes to reflex saves, in my opinion. I'd allow them to make Fortitude and Will saves. And, most of the insta-death spells require one of those two. If you can CdG (which is a insta-death method added in 3E)someone who is held, being unable to make a Reflex save is the least of their worries. IceBear PS - If you've been allowing PCs to intentionally through themselves off 100 foot cliffs for years, then you should use the death due to massive damage rules more often. [/QUOTE]

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