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<blockquote data-quote="Christian" data-source="post: 78211" data-attributes="member: 381">You can't be serious?! Harm works the same way in 3rd Edition that it did in 1st and 2nd. That's one of the biggest problems with 3rd Edition, actually-the reluctance on the part of the designers to eliminate some of the dumber things from older editions.Coup de grace is *not* a new thing. I don't know about 2nd Edition (I didn't play it much), but in 1st Edition you could automatically slay one helpless opponent per round. (!!!) Kobold, 25th level fighter, whatever-no damage, no save, just automatic death. That, combined with the fact that sleep had no saving throw (!) and lasted for eight hours with virtually no chance of being awakened by anything(!!!), is why the members of one of my old gaming groups always referred to sleep as 'the 1st level Death Spell'.It is much harder to slay someone in 3rd Edition-they virtually always have some chance to evade the attack ...BTW-if you've never seen it, check out Gary Gygax's little rant on this subject in the 1st Edition DMG. He quite eloquently defended the principle that a character should always get some kind of chance to evade death ... [Sigh] Had he only implemented that principle more consistently. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Christian, post: 78211, member: 381"] You can't be serious?! [i]Harm[/i] works the same way in 3rd Edition that it did in 1st and 2nd. That's one of the biggest problems with 3rd Edition, actually-the reluctance on the part of the designers to eliminate some of the dumber things from older editions. Coup de grace is *not* a new thing. I don't know about 2nd Edition (I didn't play it much), but in 1st Edition you could [i]automatically[/i] slay one helpless opponent per round. (!!!) Kobold, 25th level fighter, whatever-no damage, no save, just automatic death. That, combined with the fact that [i]sleep[/i] had no saving throw (!) and lasted for eight hours with virtually no chance of being awakened by [i]anything[/i](!!!), is why the members of one of my old gaming groups always referred to [i]sleep[/i] as 'the 1st level [i]Death Spell[/i]'. It is [i]much[/i] harder to slay someone in 3rd Edition-they virtually always have [i]some[/i] chance to evade the attack ... BTW-if you've never seen it, check out Gary Gygax's little rant on this subject in the 1st Edition DMG. He quite eloquently defended the principle that a character should always get some kind of chance to evade death ... [Sigh] Had he only implemented that principle more consistently. :( [/QUOTE]

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