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<blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 78435" data-attributes="member: 834">Whoah!What's going on here?&nbsp; Are you in the process of all agreeing that you get a reflex save when helpless?You should post this question under its own thread, then more knowledgeable people could point you to the exact pages, errata and rules clarification.But the bottom line is that having a Dexterity of 0 is effectively like having no DEX at all; you can't move.&nbsp; And a Reflex save is always described as the ability to avoid damage through agility and quick reaction.So you can't make a reflex save when paralyzed, sleeping, chained to the wall or in any other situation that would also make you subject to a CDG.&nbsp; Go ahead, post this in its own thread and see how much support &quot;Reflex save when you have 0 dexterity&quot; can get.On Topic:&nbsp; Stunned character are not paralyzed, they're just stunned.&nbsp; They're still conscious and protecting themselves as best as they can under the circumstances.&nbsp; Basically, they lose DEX bonus but don't have a DEX of 0 so they do get Reflex save</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mal Malenkirk, post: 78435, member: 834"] Whoah! What's going on here? Are you in the process of all agreeing that you get a reflex save when helpless? You should post this question under its own thread, then more knowledgeable people could point you to the exact pages, errata and rules clarification. But the bottom line is that having a Dexterity of 0 is effectively like having no DEX at all; you can't [i]move[/i]. And a Reflex save is always described as the ability to avoid damage through agility and quick reaction. So you can't make a reflex save when paralyzed, sleeping, chained to the wall or in any other situation that would also make you subject to a CDG. Go ahead, post this in its own thread and see how much support "Reflex save when you have 0 dexterity" can get. On Topic: Stunned character are not paralyzed, they're just stunned. They're still conscious and protecting themselves as best as they can under the circumstances. Basically, they lose DEX bonus but don't have a DEX of 0 so they do get Reflex save [/QUOTE]

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