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<blockquote data-quote="Errant" data-source="post: 80206" data-attributes="member: 1926">My 2c...I like the way you think Ruvion, which suits my tastes down to the ground. I’m sure my players would disagree though.THIS is how I perceive all Reflex saves working… characters act on a subconscious level, which is why I would allow a stunned character a Reflex save (its not a conscious act, it’s a reaction). I would however be inclined to impose a –2 Circumstance penalty for their disorientation.Generally, I take the view that (in the DnD universe) magic is like “the Force”: it surrounds &amp; flows through everything (even “magic-dead” areas). If you live long enough (i.e. gain enough levels) you learn how to manipulate magic on a subconscious level. This is how rogues learn to dodge fireballs, fighters can pick themselves up from a 100’ fall &amp; etc (home rules notwithstanding): they subconsciously manipulate the magic around them so as to deflect/absorb the damage. Its not enough to save you by itself if you’re “helpless” etc (because you’re either unaware or your awareness defeats your subconscious reactions), but it easily explains how you can survive other seemingly impossible situations.This approach helps me rationalise many “illogical” rules &amp; situations in DnD.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Errant, post: 80206, member: 1926"] [b]My 2c...[/b] I like the way you think Ruvion, which suits my tastes down to the ground. I’m sure my players would disagree though. THIS is how I perceive all Reflex saves working… characters act on a subconscious level, which is why I would allow a stunned character a Reflex save (its not a conscious [i]act[/i], it’s a [i]reaction[/i]). I would however be inclined to impose a –2 Circumstance penalty for their disorientation. Generally, I take the view that (in the DnD universe) magic is like “the Force”: it surrounds & flows through everything (even “magic-dead” areas). If you live long enough (i.e. gain enough levels) you learn how to manipulate magic on a subconscious level. This is how rogues learn to dodge fireballs, fighters can pick themselves up from a 100’ fall & etc (home rules notwithstanding): they [i]subconsciously[/i] manipulate the magic around them so as to deflect/absorb the damage. Its not enough to save you by itself if you’re “helpless” etc (because you’re either unaware or your awareness defeats your subconscious reactions), but it easily explains how you can survive other seemingly impossible situations. This approach helps me rationalise many “illogical” rules & situations in DnD. [/QUOTE]

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