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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TiQuinn" data-source="post: 9776360" data-attributes="member: 4871">Nobody "voted" for them. They were design changes made by the game designers. Each edition continues to be played to this day. Pathfinder was created because there were enough people who wanted to continue playing 3.5e instead of moving on to 4e. Games like 13th Age, Draw Steel, and Lancer directly credit 4e as the inspiration for their game systems.You make it sound like somehow the continued releases of these game systems is a failure in some way. They aren't. Not everyone likes every edition.I really don't think you can make that generality about ENWorldSo? As you just said, some people like builds. Some people like complexity. Some people want that power creep and don't think that's a bad thing.Sure. It's not a bad thing necessarily.I don't know you mean by casuals. Yes, people watch D&D YouTube videos. There are YouTube videos that cater to a variety of playstyles. That's not just casual players. Hardcore players do too.This is where you go completely off the rails; I mean, this is just a really bad analogy. No, it's not like booze. People just have different tastes.Of course, you "might" encounter different play styles. You "might" encounter different play styles in every single edition of the game that I've ever played.</blockquote>