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<blockquote data-quote="VHawkwinter" data-source="post: 9783409" data-attributes="member: 7040136">3.5 and PF are too focused on gridded minis combat, IMO.I really like a crunchy well fleshed out open world sandboxy rpg. My top five non-D&amp;D RPGs I've played are (in no real order) Rolemaster 4e; GURPS with Dungeon Fantasy; Shadowrun 4e or 20th Anniversary; and Mongoose Runequest 2. I don't know if you've played those, but if so you'd likely see some design commonalities there - lots of fleshed out mechanics for more than just combat.And IMO 3e is the D&amp;D with the best fleshed out sandboxy noncombat gameplay of the bunch (particularly if you grab the right 3pp supplements from Atlas, skirmisher, and mongoose), with 3.0 being less obsessive about minis than 3.5 and PF1. 3.5 and PF1 made some improvements fixing issues in the D&amp;D system I liked best, but also regressions, like making combat worse.Hence 3.0. (Still lots of room for improvement and little aggravating issues, but if I'm going to play an official D&amp;D, 3.0 would be my pick).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="VHawkwinter, post: 9783409, member: 7040136"] 3.5 and PF are too focused on gridded minis combat, IMO. I really like a crunchy well fleshed out open world sandboxy rpg. My top five non-D&D RPGs I've played are (in no real order) Rolemaster 4e; GURPS with Dungeon Fantasy; Shadowrun 4e or 20th Anniversary; and Mongoose Runequest 2. I don't know if you've played those, but if so you'd likely see some design commonalities there - lots of fleshed out mechanics for more than just combat. And IMO 3e is the D&D with the best fleshed out sandboxy noncombat gameplay of the bunch (particularly if you grab the right 3pp supplements from Atlas, skirmisher, and mongoose), with 3.0 being less obsessive about minis than 3.5 and PF1. 3.5 and PF1 made some improvements fixing issues in the D&D system I liked best, but also regressions, like making combat worse. Hence 3.0. (Still lots of room for improvement and little aggravating issues, but if I'm going to play an official D&D, 3.0 would be my pick). [/QUOTE]

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