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<blockquote data-quote="Philip Benz" data-source="post: 8098770" data-attributes="member: 6975782">Nevin, I see where you're coming from, but IMHO that's all on the DM and the players. A DM who has a compelling storyline in his pocket, with clues, NPCs to interact with, and clever objectives that go beyond killing critters &amp; taking their stuff will do fine. A DM who struggles with the rules and thinks that yet another encounter with more monsters is an adequate substitute for a plot, will flounder. Similarly, players who ignore clues and are just looking for more loot and xp shouldn't be surprised that their game experience is reduced to a tactical combat grind.But that's true of any RPG. It was true in the 70s and it's true today.FWIW, I think the suggestions made here and elsewhere that PCs have to be at full health before any fight are rubbish. Often enough, in the games I've played, there are time constraints that prevent players from taking 10 minutes, let alone 40-60 minutes after every fight to rest &amp; treat their wounds. Fortunately, the existence of clerics (and a few other classes) who have healing spells and powers and the existence of items like healing potions help make the action a wee bit more dynamic. And if the PCs are wounded and they think they're heading into a fight, maybe they'll pay a little more attention to the terrain and their tactics, rather than just charging the foe and trusting to the DM's aversion for TPKs to carry the day.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Philip Benz, post: 8098770, member: 6975782"] Nevin, I see where you're coming from, but IMHO that's all on the DM and the players. A DM who has a compelling storyline in his pocket, with clues, NPCs to interact with, and clever objectives that go beyond killing critters & taking their stuff will do fine. A DM who struggles with the rules and thinks that yet another encounter with more monsters is an adequate substitute for a plot, will flounder. Similarly, players who ignore clues and are just looking for more loot and xp shouldn't be surprised that their game experience is reduced to a tactical combat grind. But that's true of any RPG. It was true in the 70s and it's true today. FWIW, I think the suggestions made here and elsewhere that PCs [B]have[/B] to be at full health before any fight are rubbish. Often enough, in the games I've played, there are time constraints that prevent players from taking 10 minutes, let alone 40-60 minutes after every fight to rest & treat their wounds. Fortunately, the existence of clerics (and a few other classes) who have healing spells and powers and the existence of items like healing potions help make the action a wee bit more dynamic. And if the PCs [I]are[/I] wounded and they think they're heading into a fight, maybe they'll pay a little more attention to the terrain and their tactics, rather than just charging the foe and trusting to the DM's aversion for TPKs to carry the day. [/QUOTE]

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