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<blockquote data-quote="Campbell" data-source="post: 8108376" data-attributes="member: 16586">I think this post encapsulates a lot of why we often butt heads sometimes. I am not really concerned with &quot;D&amp;D gamers&quot; or even gamers in a general sense. I evaluate games based on if provides a compelling play experience that I and the rest of the people I play with or might want to play with would be interested in. That is a very small subset of that group. Solving for the general subset will often result in a poor experience for the subset I am interested in.I also have about zero interest in chasing after some mythical perfect game that we can play until we do not want to play anymore. That sounds absolutely dreadful to me. I have about 7 games that are D&amp;D adjacent on my shelf. Even within the dungeon fantasy substrate I value that diversity of play.I honestly do not understand the focus on a greater meta narrative about what the game should be instead of concrete discussion of what the game actually is. Speaking personally sometimes it seems to skew towards a gate keeping direction. I do not want to be unfair here, but a substantial part of things you consider outmoded are things I consider essential to dungeon fantasy. In any event I do not think these sorts of meta narratives do much to further discussion in a fruitful direction. It absolutely undermined meaningful critical analysis of Fourth Edition because it changes the discussion from one about a game and how it functions to if the game has a right to exist in its present form. I do not think that discussion is helpful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Campbell, post: 8108376, member: 16586"] I think this post encapsulates a lot of why we often butt heads sometimes. I am not really concerned with "D&D gamers" or even gamers in a general sense. I evaluate games based on if provides a compelling play experience that I and the rest of the people I play with or might want to play with would be interested in. That is a very small subset of that group. Solving for the general subset will often result in a poor experience for the subset I am interested in. I also have about zero interest in chasing after some mythical perfect game that we can play until we do not want to play anymore. That sounds absolutely dreadful to me. I have about 7 games that are D&D adjacent on my shelf. Even within the dungeon fantasy substrate I value that diversity of play. I honestly do not understand the focus on a greater meta narrative about what the game should be instead of concrete discussion of what the game actually is. Speaking personally sometimes it seems to skew towards a gate keeping direction. I do not want to be unfair here, but a substantial part of things you consider outmoded are things I consider essential to dungeon fantasy. In any event I do not think these sorts of meta narratives do much to further discussion in a fruitful direction. It absolutely undermined meaningful critical analysis of Fourth Edition because it changes the discussion from one about a game and how it functions to if the game has a right to exist in its present form. I do not think that discussion is helpful. [/QUOTE]

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