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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 8148974" data-attributes="member: 12731">Since a +1 means so much in Pathfinder 2, it's almost a newbie trap to make it so easy to end up with only a 16 in your main stat at chargen.Myself, I'm not against ability penalties (in fact I'm actively for them, since I consider them to be an essential building block of verisimilitude, explaining why few Dwarves become Bards and why so many Elves weave magic into their fighting styles etc etc...)...but that's a different discussion - in the context of Pathfinder 2, the issue boils down to:If you believe any race should be combinable with every class (a totally reasonable idea, btw, just one I personally don't consider a must) you totally must be able to get a 18 in your main stat despite the ability flaw. As long as this is achievable (regardless of the effects on your other stats) I would consider the resulting ruleset as fine.If you can't reach a 18 no matter how much your mangle your secondary stats, however, then I concede PF2 is in the category of games any gamer with the opinion every class-race combo must be attainable need best avoid.ZPS. I hope I made managed to phrase myself in a way that makes it clear I do not wish to prevent anyone from playing the game their preferred way here <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 8148974, member: 12731"] Since a +1 means so much in Pathfinder 2, it's almost a newbie trap to make it so easy to end up with only a 16 in your main stat at chargen. Myself, I'm not against ability penalties (in fact I'm [I]actively for[/I] them, since I consider them to be an essential building block of verisimilitude, explaining why few Dwarves become Bards and why so many Elves weave magic into their fighting styles etc etc...) ...but that's a different discussion - in the context of Pathfinder 2, the issue boils down to: [I]If[/I] you believe any race should be combinable with every class (a totally reasonable idea, btw, just one I [I]personally[/I] don't consider a must) you totally must be able to get a 18 in your main stat despite the ability flaw. As long as this is achievable (regardless of the effects on your other stats) I would consider the resulting ruleset as fine. If you [I]can't[/I] reach a 18 no matter how much your mangle your secondary stats, however, then I concede PF2 is in the category of games any gamer with the opinion every class-race combo must be attainable need best avoid. Z PS. I hope I made managed to phrase myself in a way that makes it clear [U]I do not wish[/U] to prevent anyone from playing the game their preferred way here :) [/QUOTE]

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