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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 8151878" data-attributes="member: 12731">I don't consider that a useful data point. I'm sure we agree I can run the game for you in a way that makes you completely win AoA.More useful (I hope) is listening to trustworthy testimonials. If you consider my experiences trustworthy, I can say I have never played an iteration of D&amp;D as deadly as that first level of Curse of Extinction. Sure, mathematically old OD&amp;D surely compares, but the expectations are vastly different. In one game you have 4 hp and a sword deals 1d8. On the other hand chargen takes five minutes. In the other game, you have all the bells and whistles and safeguards of a modern game. Yet all these rules still result in scenarios where the heroes are tested til breaking point, and then some more. I'm sure it's possible to change play styles, and learn how to approach the game. Coupled with a healthy dose of old-fashioned exaggeration I completely believe those redditors believe they've &quot;won&quot; Pathfinder 2.Still doesn't change my general sentiment.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 8151878, member: 12731"] I don't consider that a useful data point. I'm sure we agree I can run the game for you in a way that makes you completely win AoA. More useful (I hope) is listening to trustworthy testimonials. If you consider my experiences trustworthy, I can say I have never played an iteration of D&D as deadly as that first level of Curse of Extinction. Sure, mathematically old OD&D surely compares, but the expectations are vastly different. In one game you have 4 hp and a sword deals 1d8. On the other hand chargen takes five minutes. In the other game, you have all the bells and whistles and safeguards of a modern game. Yet all these rules still result in scenarios where the heroes are tested til [I]breaking point[/I], and then some more. I'm sure it's possible to change play styles, and learn how to approach the game. Coupled with a healthy dose of old-fashioned exaggeration I completely believe those redditors [I]believe[/I] they've "won" Pathfinder 2. Still doesn't change my general sentiment. [/QUOTE]

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