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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 8153715" data-attributes="member: 7026617">Extrapolation.&nbsp; Its been a problem that has been observed in edition changeover in the D&amp;D sphere twice running, then dropping away, and the same pattern seems present in the PF2e APs.&nbsp; You're not required to find it compelling, but it seems at least as good an explanation as the one you're suggesting.Given the cause of the problems previously is not exactly a state secret, suggesting its a common pattern and could be a cause now does not seem exactly a massive reach, since in each case we're talking editions of a game where the game play changed in some serious ways while still showing a continuity of system.&nbsp; This has been true in the transition from AD&amp;D2 to D&amp;D3e, D&amp;D3e to D&amp;D4e, and PF1e to PF2e to a degree that is rarely the case in game edition changeovers (and when it is is often on games that don't do much adventure support anyway).Except, as I noted, your analysis does not seem to be matching the data from the field.Not the reports back I've heard on the subject.&nbsp; Every time I've seen someone talk about problems with APs for PF2e, they've made a clear distinction between the difficulty of Age of Ashes and Extinction Curse and the later APs.See above.&nbsp; A rather large number of people seem to disagree with you in practice.&nbsp; So what's your explanation there?Again, because you're operating on a premise I am not convinced of.&nbsp; I've explained above and previously why.&nbsp; If you want to explain why the trendline is people having trouble with the first two APs and not the later ones, I'll listen, but until you do you're making a claim (the one I respond to above) I do not accept.If you want to stop responding to my posts, you can do so at any time.&nbsp; I'm not obliged to do so simply because you find my responses annoying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 8153715, member: 7026617"] Extrapolation. Its been a problem that has been observed in edition changeover in the D&D sphere twice running, then dropping away, and the same pattern seems present in the PF2e APs. You're not required to find it compelling, but it seems at least as good an explanation as the one you're suggesting. Given the cause of the problems previously is not exactly a state secret, suggesting its a common pattern and could be a cause now does not seem exactly a massive reach, since in each case we're talking editions of a game where the game play changed in some serious ways while still showing a continuity of system. This has been true in the transition from AD&D2 to D&D3e, D&D3e to D&D4e, and PF1e to PF2e to a degree that is rarely the case in game edition changeovers (and when it is is often on games that don't do much adventure support anyway). Except, as I noted, your analysis does not seem to be matching the data from the field. Not the reports back I've heard on the subject. Every time I've seen someone talk about problems with APs for PF2e, they've made a clear distinction between the difficulty of Age of Ashes and Extinction Curse and the later APs. See above. A rather large number of people seem to disagree with you in practice. So what's your explanation there? Again, because you're operating on a premise[I] I am not convinced of.[/I] I've explained above and previously why. If you want to explain why the trendline is people having trouble with the first two APs and not the later ones, I'll listen, but until you do you're making a claim (the one I respond to above) [I]I do not accept[/I]. If you want to stop responding to my posts, you can do so at any time. I'm not obliged to do so simply because you find my responses annoying. [/QUOTE]

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