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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 8153745" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>Paizo is certainly taking their audience for granted. But it's hard to blame them - their entrenched AP format is what sustain them.</p><p></p><p>I think a much more relevant problem is that WotC has upped the competition <em>considerably</em> since the 4E days. Not only is 5E vastly easier and friendlier to new players. This also means PF2 comes across as significantly more complex and difficult, an assessment the game would not have had if 4E was the competitor. But also how 5E adventures are vastly superior to 4E adventures.</p><p></p><p>Just saying this to explain why I engaged in this sub-thread. I think a statement such as "I think that Paizo's AP formula will hurt them" is too simplistic and focuses on the one thing that arguably is Paizo's greatest strength. More relevant, I think, is to ask ourselves if that's enough in today's competitive landscape?</p><p></p><p>(My answer is no, not really. Sure PF2 features exciting combat, but the drawbacks of the edition are considerable and boil down to a huge throwback to an earlier era where complexity was much less unacceptable)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 8153745, member: 12731"] Paizo is certainly taking their audience for granted. But it's hard to blame them - their entrenched AP format is what sustain them. I think a much more relevant problem is that WotC has upped the competition [I]considerably[/I] since the 4E days. Not only is 5E vastly easier and friendlier to new players. This also means PF2 comes across as significantly more complex and difficult, an assessment the game would not have had if 4E was the competitor. But also how 5E adventures are vastly superior to 4E adventures. Just saying this to explain why I engaged in this sub-thread. I think a statement such as "I think that Paizo's AP formula will hurt them" is too simplistic and focuses on the one thing that arguably is Paizo's greatest strength. More relevant, I think, is to ask ourselves if that's enough in today's competitive landscape? (My answer is no, not really. Sure PF2 features exciting combat, but the drawbacks of the edition are considerable and boil down to a huge throwback to an earlier era where complexity was much less unacceptable) [/QUOTE]
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