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<blockquote data-quote="Gorgon Zee" data-source="post: 8156554" data-attributes="member: 75787">This certainly could be the case. I understand you believe that if PF2 had been more of a 5E clone it would have been better in some sense. But for a lot of people, they play PF2 because it is different from 5E. I certainly do!Given that most people appear to disagree with you, and that you have had no success “nailing people”, might I suggest that you simply find the game you want to play, and play it, and stop trying to convince people who enjoy PF2 that they are stupid for doing so? I really think you’ve done a great job at detailing all the things you hate about PF2; I think I’m pretty clear about them. So we are at the stage where, as you state, you have presented all the info, and it has been rejected by the majority. I’m not sure your crusade has anywhere left to go.I’ve read and thought about your complaints, and I partially agree with many of them, and they have made me think about character choices and ways of GMing, so don’t feel you haven’t had an impact. But rather than make me feel bad about playing a tragically flawed system, it’s just made me concentrate more on the good parts, let me know that I should be really carefully in AoA encounters, and allowed me not to worry about poorly designed bits of the system. So thanks for bringing them up. I don’t agree with your conclusion, but it has been helpful getting a view on what you believe are the weakest points of what I consider a solid, fun, playable system</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gorgon Zee, post: 8156554, member: 75787"] This certainly could be the case. I understand you believe that if PF2 had been more of a 5E clone it would have been better in some sense. But for a lot of people, they play PF2 [B]because[/B] it is different from 5E. I certainly do! Given that most people appear to disagree with you, and that you have had no success “nailing people”, might I suggest that you simply find the game you want to play, and play it, and stop trying to convince people who enjoy PF2 that they are stupid for doing so? I really think you’ve done a great job at detailing all the things you hate about PF2; I think I’m pretty clear about them. So we are at the stage where, as you state, you have presented all the info, and it has been rejected by the majority. I’m not sure your crusade has anywhere left to go. I’ve read and thought about your complaints, and I partially agree with many of them, and they have made me think about character choices and ways of GMing, so don’t feel you haven’t had an impact. But rather than make me feel bad about playing a tragically flawed system, it’s just made me concentrate more on the good parts, let me know that I should be really carefully in AoA encounters, and allowed me not to worry about poorly designed bits of the system. So thanks for bringing them up. I don’t agree with your conclusion, but it has been helpful getting a view on what you believe are the weakest points of what I consider a solid, fun, playable system [/QUOTE]

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