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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9593895" data-attributes="member: 6877472">The fact that we're not told what the CR of a character built by PC rules is does make it difficult to employ one as an antagonist, however.  If I eyeball it, a 1st-level Fighter might be equal to a CR 1/4, but their AC would be quite high.  Other classes get a bit stranger- like a 1st-level Wizard would be closer to a CR 1/8.But things rapidly get out of hand.  The CR 5 Gladiator has 100 hit points and 3 attacks per round, making them more like an 11th-level Fighter.  So I think this way of building NPC's is best used for ones that are either allies or won't see combat.</blockquote>