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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9620700" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>But you're basically proving my point. 5e (2024) allows Minor Illusion to actually imitate voices. Now, granted, it doesn't specifically say you can imitate speech. True. But 5e does not have a Ventriloquism spell. It's been folded in under the umbrella of Minor Illusion. But, because the description does not specficy that you absolutely can do speach, the DM automatically rules that it can't. </p><p></p><p>And that's the problem. Spells with vague descriptions get shut down by DM's in the name of "challenge". Any creative use of the spell gets denied because the DM has been burned year after year by poorly written spells. So, the automatic reaction is "no". Can I do this? "Nope. It doesn't say you can do it in the spell, so, too bad. You can't."</p><p></p><p>Which returns us right back to the original point. Vaguely worded spells rarely get chosen by the players because they are taught very quickly that DM's won't actually allow creativity. And there's no point in having a spell you can't use.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 9620700, member: 22779"] But you're basically proving my point. 5e (2024) allows Minor Illusion to actually imitate voices. Now, granted, it doesn't specifically say you can imitate speech. True. But 5e does not have a Ventriloquism spell. It's been folded in under the umbrella of Minor Illusion. But, because the description does not specficy that you absolutely can do speach, the DM automatically rules that it can't. And that's the problem. Spells with vague descriptions get shut down by DM's in the name of "challenge". Any creative use of the spell gets denied because the DM has been burned year after year by poorly written spells. So, the automatic reaction is "no". Can I do this? "Nope. It doesn't say you can do it in the spell, so, too bad. You can't." Which returns us right back to the original point. Vaguely worded spells rarely get chosen by the players because they are taught very quickly that DM's won't actually allow creativity. And there's no point in having a spell you can't use. [/QUOTE]
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