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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 6288276" data-attributes="member: 9037"><p>That is one to look at I suppose though in my thirty years of playing I have never had any player say that about their characters unless the DM was totally inadequate about making well rounded encounters and engaging the character in the world.</p><p></p><p>Well see since I am playing a specialist wizard multiclassed with dread necromancer who chose to give up the schools of magic that allows grease then that was not an option. And well I have three scrolls none of which helped because they were feather fall, and 2 identify and because like most of the DMs I play with we don't get a lot of time to scribe scrolls and we don't play in a magic market economy casters rarely have tons of extra spells. It is amazing how simply not allowing the easy magic item creation in 3.5 helps limit some of the major issues people have. </p><p></p><p></p><p>A lot of these discussions assume that the wizard has always picked the right spells or has tons of scrolls. Since we had never faced constructs and had no clue and we heard rumors of orcs in the hills that is what I prepared for. </p><p></p><p>Again one way to look at 4E is your way but another way to look at it is mine which was it made the characters bland, made me feel as if I was playing a video game and ruined my ability to suspend my disbelief. It also seems the most limited when it came to supporting different play styles. And before anyone gets their panties in a twist I recognize that my opinion of 4E is just that an opinion and that there are people who enjoy it and feel differently. </p><p></p><p>I have to wonder with all the different editions and systems available now why people cling to playing an edition that they have major issues with. Or if they have a major issue with a class why not simply ban that class in their game. And there are fixes that can rein in some of the power if you feel it is to strong for your game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 6288276, member: 9037"] That is one to look at I suppose though in my thirty years of playing I have never had any player say that about their characters unless the DM was totally inadequate about making well rounded encounters and engaging the character in the world. Well see since I am playing a specialist wizard multiclassed with dread necromancer who chose to give up the schools of magic that allows grease then that was not an option. And well I have three scrolls none of which helped because they were feather fall, and 2 identify and because like most of the DMs I play with we don't get a lot of time to scribe scrolls and we don't play in a magic market economy casters rarely have tons of extra spells. It is amazing how simply not allowing the easy magic item creation in 3.5 helps limit some of the major issues people have. A lot of these discussions assume that the wizard has always picked the right spells or has tons of scrolls. Since we had never faced constructs and had no clue and we heard rumors of orcs in the hills that is what I prepared for. Again one way to look at 4E is your way but another way to look at it is mine which was it made the characters bland, made me feel as if I was playing a video game and ruined my ability to suspend my disbelief. It also seems the most limited when it came to supporting different play styles. And before anyone gets their panties in a twist I recognize that my opinion of 4E is just that an opinion and that there are people who enjoy it and feel differently. I have to wonder with all the different editions and systems available now why people cling to playing an edition that they have major issues with. Or if they have a major issue with a class why not simply ban that class in their game. And there are fixes that can rein in some of the power if you feel it is to strong for your game. [/QUOTE]
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