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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 6288409" data-attributes="member: 9037">To me having fighting abilities you can only use once per encounter or once a day is to gamey for me. What you forgot the rest of the day how to that maneuver. The whole I shout at you and you are healed hate that. But then part of that is the whole weird disconnect of just what hit points are. And why can't any strong willed commanding character do it? The whole minion I stub my toe and tale one hit point of damage and die. I don't like the mechanics of 4E. There was just so much about it that just drove me crazy. Of course suspension of disbelief is a personal thing. I have no issue with vancian magic because I read the books they were based on long before I ever played DnD. Though I have always felt that wizards should never have to memorize cantrips they should just know them. The fact that a wizard can know hundreds of spells is one reason they can't remember all of them. It is like baking I have made hundreds of chocolate chip cookies in my life but I have to look up the recipe every time. St least this is how I look at it. I do understand that for a lot of gamers is something they don't like. I don't like how clerics are done in 3.5. I hate the fact that they become a cookie cutter class regardless of the god they worship. To me a cleric of say a warrior god should fight better then a cleric of a healing god. But I don't see why they can't be as good or better fighters than a fighter. It is not like they spend hours pouring over ancient tomes like wizards. Their spells come from their gods and should not really take that long to learn how to pray and use a gesture and their holy symbol as a focus.  Though I will admit that I think fighters need more to their class to make them shine more. I don't think 4E is a bad game I think it is a game I don't enjoy. I enjoy 3.5 the best so far of the DnD editions yet I know that it is not for everybody. I also don't think DnD is the perfect system for every fantasy game that it does not always do certain things as well as other systems.</blockquote>

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