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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 392697" data-attributes="member: 5890">I'd suggest that a player should be penalised in some way via ECL, HOWEVER:Note that a reincarnated individual does not gain hitpoints, BAB, or saves. AKA - any ECL which is attributed solely due to extra hit dice should simply not apply. This means that ECL for most animal forms will be minimal - It's based purely on the stats the animal has. If the player doesn't make use of the physical stats (ie - he is immediately polymorphed into a human, and stays that way), no ECL.Most other forms will need some higher ECL. I can't imagine allowing the 9th-level druid spellcasting of a dryad for free.You cannot use the standard ECL charts for this. It's purely a DM's call.Finally: Note that the stats on some of the animals are just plain wrong. A wolverine should not have +10 str, +8 dex and +8 con - according to it's MM entry it should be closer to +4/+4/+8. A badger should be -2/+6/+4, not +4/+8/+4. Most of the animal entries are wrong like this.</blockquote>