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<blockquote data-quote="Herzog" data-source="post: 4737239" data-attributes="member: 25696"><p>I know there have been threads about this before, but since they couldn't provide me with a definitive answer, I'm starting a new thread....</p><p></p><p>My human Artificer lvl 7 (Eberron Campaign) has just died, and will be reincarnated by our party druid.</p><p></p><p>Reading up on reincarnate, several questions came up.</p><p>I'll start with the one not asked before:</p><p></p><p>1. What happens to my craft reserve if I loose an artificer level, and later regain it?</p><p></p><p>Then, the other questions. I'm pretty sure how to handle all the racial bonusses etc, but am still unsure about the monster HD and Level Adjustment some of the creatures in the table get.</p><p></p><p>If I go in 'bluntly' and apply the rules as I have interpreted them without any regard to balance or logic, I would get the following:</p><p></p><p>[CODE]human artificer(7): 21000+ XP (NB: exact XP amount not important)</p><p></p><p>returned as bugbear(3HD,LA+1) artificer(6)</p><p>total ECL: 10.</p><p>Needed for next lvl (11): 55000 XP</p><p>Needed for this lvl (10): 45000</p><p>starting XP: 50000.[/CODE]</p><p></p><p>This, of course, assumes you get the racial HD. Because adding racial HD will also complicate things (what happens to the skill points and feats you are assumed to get for monster HD?) let's assume you get the LA, but not the HD.</p><p>[CODE]human artificer(7): 21000+ XP (NB: exact XP amount not important)</p><p></p><p>returned as bugbear(LA+1) artificer(6)</p><p>total ECL: 7.</p><p>Needed for next lvl (8): 28000 XP</p><p>Needed for this lvl (7): 21000</p><p>starting XP: 24500.[/CODE]</p><p></p><p>Now, you might end up with more XP than you had before the reincarnate.</p><p></p><p>To get to a balanced situation (as in: coming back from the dead is a BAD thing, even if it means you survive) we re-introduce HD, but keep to the fact that you return at a reduced level:</p><p>[CODE]human artificer(7): 21000+ XP (NB: exact XP amount not important)</p><p></p><p>returned as bugbear(3HD,LA+1) artificer(2)</p><p>total ECL: 6.</p><p>Needed for next lvl (11): 21000XP</p><p>Needed for this lvl (10): 15000</p><p>starting XP: 18000.[/CODE]</p><p>This would mean losing <strong>five</strong> artificer levels instead of one. Could be interesting, but I think i'll pass.</p><p></p><p>Of course, other options have been proposed.</p><p>You could require the have the character take monster HD in the upcoming levels, but this only fixes the party balance problem, not the problem for the character. </p><p>You could state that the current XP should be calculated using the XP table for the dead character (start at 18000 XP) and determine the XP needed for the next level using the XP table of the reincarnated character (using the first option: 55000 XP) but that would simply mean the character will not level for a very long time, while being more powerfull than the rest of the party up to then.</p><p></p><p>Now, all this is caused by the fact the spell description is lacking in detailing the effects of reincarnating into a humanoid with racial HD and LA, while having those humanoids on the reincarnation table. </p><p></p><p>At least in 3.0, the worst that could happen was to roll an animal, and all these conversions where unnecessary because you would retire the character anyway.....</p><p></p><p>Does anyone have any indication which of these (or possibly another method I haven't thought of) should be used? Preferably based on an obscure rule, errata or FAQ?</p><p></p><p>I'm well aware (because of the other reincarnation threads) that people have used various methods of dealing with this, but since I'm not the DM, I'd like to have some kind of rule to refer to. </p><p></p><p>Thanx in advance</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Herzog, post: 4737239, member: 25696"] I know there have been threads about this before, but since they couldn't provide me with a definitive answer, I'm starting a new thread.... My human Artificer lvl 7 (Eberron Campaign) has just died, and will be reincarnated by our party druid. Reading up on reincarnate, several questions came up. I'll start with the one not asked before: 1. What happens to my craft reserve if I loose an artificer level, and later regain it? Then, the other questions. I'm pretty sure how to handle all the racial bonusses etc, but am still unsure about the monster HD and Level Adjustment some of the creatures in the table get. If I go in 'bluntly' and apply the rules as I have interpreted them without any regard to balance or logic, I would get the following: [CODE]human artificer(7): 21000+ XP (NB: exact XP amount not important) returned as bugbear(3HD,LA+1) artificer(6) total ECL: 10. Needed for next lvl (11): 55000 XP Needed for this lvl (10): 45000 starting XP: 50000.[/CODE] This, of course, assumes you get the racial HD. Because adding racial HD will also complicate things (what happens to the skill points and feats you are assumed to get for monster HD?) let's assume you get the LA, but not the HD. [CODE]human artificer(7): 21000+ XP (NB: exact XP amount not important) returned as bugbear(LA+1) artificer(6) total ECL: 7. Needed for next lvl (8): 28000 XP Needed for this lvl (7): 21000 starting XP: 24500.[/CODE] Now, you might end up with more XP than you had before the reincarnate. To get to a balanced situation (as in: coming back from the dead is a BAD thing, even if it means you survive) we re-introduce HD, but keep to the fact that you return at a reduced level: [CODE]human artificer(7): 21000+ XP (NB: exact XP amount not important) returned as bugbear(3HD,LA+1) artificer(2) total ECL: 6. Needed for next lvl (11): 21000XP Needed for this lvl (10): 15000 starting XP: 18000.[/CODE] This would mean losing [B]five[/B] artificer levels instead of one. Could be interesting, but I think i'll pass. Of course, other options have been proposed. You could require the have the character take monster HD in the upcoming levels, but this only fixes the party balance problem, not the problem for the character. You could state that the current XP should be calculated using the XP table for the dead character (start at 18000 XP) and determine the XP needed for the next level using the XP table of the reincarnated character (using the first option: 55000 XP) but that would simply mean the character will not level for a very long time, while being more powerfull than the rest of the party up to then. Now, all this is caused by the fact the spell description is lacking in detailing the effects of reincarnating into a humanoid with racial HD and LA, while having those humanoids on the reincarnation table. At least in 3.0, the worst that could happen was to roll an animal, and all these conversions where unnecessary because you would retire the character anyway..... Does anyone have any indication which of these (or possibly another method I haven't thought of) should be used? Preferably based on an obscure rule, errata or FAQ? I'm well aware (because of the other reincarnation threads) that people have used various methods of dealing with this, but since I'm not the DM, I'd like to have some kind of rule to refer to. Thanx in advance [/QUOTE]
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