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<blockquote data-quote="GammaPaladin" data-source="post: 4152040" data-attributes="member: 60497">I always loved watching Joss Whedon's shows, because he would deliberately set up a cliche, and then hit a punchline by suddenly deviating from it.Like the scene in Firefly where the crew comes to rescue Captain Reynolds, and they burst in on him fighting the evil guy's big right hand man, and Zoe tells the others, &quot;This is something the Captain has to do for himself&quot;, which of course, has any viewer groaning at the obvious cliche. Until the captain says &quot;No it's not!&quot; in a rather frantic voice and you laugh.Cliches can be useful things... They're easy targets for lampooning.Of course, if you're going for a more somber tone, that won't work out so well.I loved that series as well. Have you tried Guy Gavriel Kay's &quot;Fionavar Tapestry&quot;? It's the other epic fantasy work I tend to recommend to people. Funny thing is it starts with a horrible cliche, but is a wonderful series anyway. The books are &quot;The Summer Tree&quot;, &quot;The Wandering Fire&quot;, and &quot;The Darkest Road&quot;, I think. Unless I forgot one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GammaPaladin, post: 4152040, member: 60497"] I always loved watching Joss Whedon's shows, because he would deliberately set up a cliche, and then hit a punchline by suddenly deviating from it. Like the scene in Firefly where the crew comes to rescue Captain Reynolds, and they burst in on him fighting the evil guy's big right hand man, and Zoe tells the others, "This is something the Captain has to do for himself", which of course, has any viewer groaning at the obvious cliche. Until the captain says "No it's not!" in a rather frantic voice and you laugh. Cliches can be useful things... They're easy targets for lampooning. Of course, if you're going for a more somber tone, that won't work out so well. I loved that series as well. Have you tried Guy Gavriel Kay's "Fionavar Tapestry"? It's the other epic fantasy work I tend to recommend to people. Funny thing is it starts with a horrible cliche, but is a wonderful series anyway. The books are "The Summer Tree", "The Wandering Fire", and "The Darkest Road", I think. Unless I forgot one. [/QUOTE]

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