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<blockquote data-quote="Jacob Marley" data-source="post: 5651299" data-attributes="member: 89537"><p>Thanks for the replies, everyone. There is a lot of Greek being spoken here so it may take me a while to parse through what everyone is saying.</p><p></p><p>First, I am not limited to the Player's Handbook, it just happens to be one of three books I own; the others being the DMG and MM. I also subscribed to the first year of Dungeon and Dragon magazines (through issues #174 and #383, respectively). Information from those sources is what I have access to. </p><p></p><p>Second, I still have a working copy of the old character builder. It has been updated through the release of the Player's Handbook 2. From what I can tell, information from the Player's Handbooks 1 & 2, Forgotten Realms campaign setting, Manual of the Planes, and Dragon magazines up through issue #372 are in the system. Though sans recent errata.</p><p></p><p>I am sort of self restricting myself to those sources to keep from being overwhelmed by the totality of information that is out there. </p><p></p><p>[MENTION=54846]Rechan[/MENTION] - When you mention that the PHB 1 wizard is sub-par, are we looking at a class that is say 95% as good as the average controller? 90%? 85%? I don't mind running slightly behind the curve so long as I am still mostly effective.</p><p></p><p>[MENTION=2198]Spatula[/MENTION] - I generally like to play characters that can control the battlefield. I like being able to lock down enemies and control the pace of the battle. I tend to be a little more conservative and risk-averse than the average player. I often prefer to play defense as opposed to going on offense. That is why the controller appealed to me more so than, say, a striker.</p><p></p><p>In regards to flavor I prefer Tolkien-style races (dwarf, elf, hobbit, human).</p><p></p><p>[MENTION=17633]tiornys[/MENTION] - I don't have access to the online character builder; only an older, offline version. Thanks for the feat suggestions. I'll see what I can do to track them down so I can see what they do.</p><p></p><p>[MENTION=56189]Kzach[/MENTION] - LOL! The first school of magic that is recommended to me for 4th Edition is the same school that I <em>always</em> dropped in 3rd Edition. I don't have the Essentials materials so can you give me an idea of why the Essentials Mage is a better option?</p><p></p><p>Also, there is a lot of Greek in that character build. Could do a dead man a favor and guide me on where to look for those feats, powers, etc.? Thanks!</p><p></p><p>[MENTION=91777]Dungeoneer[/MENTION] - As I mentioned above, the PHB is not the only source I am allowed but it is the one book I own. Information from outside of there I will need to be guided to. </p><p></p><p>[MENTION=20323]Quickleaf[/MENTION] - Thanks for the update. I downloaded the errata to the PHB 1. </p><p></p><p>[MENTION=82106]AbdulAlhazred[/MENTION] - Thanks for the advice. As I mentioned above, the PHB is not the only book I am allowed, just the one I own. I'll see what I can do to track down a copy of Arcane Power. I am not looking to spend a lot of money, so I am interested in limiting my source material somewhat. Unfortunately, the online character builder is not an option. Also, what is OoIC?</p><p></p><p>Thanks for the advice, everyone! I am going to play around with some options this weekend.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jacob Marley, post: 5651299, member: 89537"] Thanks for the replies, everyone. There is a lot of Greek being spoken here so it may take me a while to parse through what everyone is saying. First, I am not limited to the Player's Handbook, it just happens to be one of three books I own; the others being the DMG and MM. I also subscribed to the first year of Dungeon and Dragon magazines (through issues #174 and #383, respectively). Information from those sources is what I have access to. Second, I still have a working copy of the old character builder. It has been updated through the release of the Player's Handbook 2. From what I can tell, information from the Player's Handbooks 1 & 2, Forgotten Realms campaign setting, Manual of the Planes, and Dragon magazines up through issue #372 are in the system. Though sans recent errata. I am sort of self restricting myself to those sources to keep from being overwhelmed by the totality of information that is out there. [MENTION=54846]Rechan[/MENTION] - When you mention that the PHB 1 wizard is sub-par, are we looking at a class that is say 95% as good as the average controller? 90%? 85%? I don't mind running slightly behind the curve so long as I am still mostly effective. [MENTION=2198]Spatula[/MENTION] - I generally like to play characters that can control the battlefield. I like being able to lock down enemies and control the pace of the battle. I tend to be a little more conservative and risk-averse than the average player. I often prefer to play defense as opposed to going on offense. That is why the controller appealed to me more so than, say, a striker. In regards to flavor I prefer Tolkien-style races (dwarf, elf, hobbit, human). [MENTION=17633]tiornys[/MENTION] - I don't have access to the online character builder; only an older, offline version. Thanks for the feat suggestions. I'll see what I can do to track them down so I can see what they do. [MENTION=56189]Kzach[/MENTION] - LOL! The first school of magic that is recommended to me for 4th Edition is the same school that I [I]always[/I] dropped in 3rd Edition. I don't have the Essentials materials so can you give me an idea of why the Essentials Mage is a better option? Also, there is a lot of Greek in that character build. Could do a dead man a favor and guide me on where to look for those feats, powers, etc.? Thanks! [MENTION=91777]Dungeoneer[/MENTION] - As I mentioned above, the PHB is not the only source I am allowed but it is the one book I own. Information from outside of there I will need to be guided to. [MENTION=20323]Quickleaf[/MENTION] - Thanks for the update. I downloaded the errata to the PHB 1. [MENTION=82106]AbdulAlhazred[/MENTION] - Thanks for the advice. As I mentioned above, the PHB is not the only book I am allowed, just the one I own. I'll see what I can do to track down a copy of Arcane Power. I am not looking to spend a lot of money, so I am interested in limiting my source material somewhat. Unfortunately, the online character builder is not an option. Also, what is OoIC? Thanks for the advice, everyone! I am going to play around with some options this weekend. [/QUOTE]
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