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<blockquote data-quote="Aberzanzorax" data-source="post: 5650548" data-attributes="member: 64209">&nbsp;&nbsp;I agree he'd physically have to touch himself (e.g. if he failed a save versus hold person rather than a flame strike, he would not later be able to use a held spell on himself while paralyzed).&nbsp;There is no action sequence where he would have ended up alive (unless he was already injured prior to the flame strike and the hp restored were to bring him up higher).&nbsp;Instantaneous damage is just that, instantaneous. So basically, even assuming he knew he'd want to do it, he either has to touch himself before the damage occurs (doing nothing if he's undamaged) or has to do so after he is dead (doing nothing if he's dead).&nbsp;&nbsp;But then it gets even weirder.&nbsp;What if he was holding &quot;raise dead&quot;? Could he touch himself and raise himself when he fell? He'd have to be dead for it to work, and if he were dead it would have discharged because he'd no longer be concentrating upon it.&nbsp;&nbsp;In terms of being able to touch himself without taking an action, it seems to fall under the lines of &quot;attack of opportunity&quot; or &quot;quickened spell&quot; usage, or even &quot;drop to the floor&quot; action.&nbsp;On the other hand:&nbsp;It seems that it requires a standard action to touch a friend, but that it is automatic. I'm not sure what that means for this conversation, other than that you couldn't miss the lich and then touch a friend in the same round...but you could if it was an attack of opportunity?&nbsp;I've confused myself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aberzanzorax, post: 5650548, member: 64209"] [B][/B] I agree he'd physically have to touch himself (e.g. if he failed a save versus hold person rather than a flame strike, he would not later be able to use a held spell on himself while paralyzed). There is no action sequence where he would have ended up alive (unless he was already injured prior to the flame strike and the hp restored were to bring him up higher). Instantaneous damage is just that, instantaneous. So basically, even assuming he knew he'd want to do it, he either has to touch himself before the damage occurs (doing nothing if he's undamaged) or has to do so after he is dead (doing nothing if he's dead). But then it gets even weirder. What if he was holding "raise dead"? Could he touch himself and raise himself when he fell? He'd have to be dead for it to work, and if he were dead it would have discharged because he'd no longer be concentrating upon it. In terms of being able to touch himself without taking an action, it seems to fall under the lines of "attack of opportunity" or "quickened spell" usage, or even "drop to the floor" action. On the other hand: [B][/B] It seems that it requires a standard action to touch a friend, but that it is automatic. I'm not sure what that means for this conversation, other than that you couldn't miss the lich and then touch a friend in the same round...but you could if it was an attack of opportunity? I've confused myself. [/QUOTE]

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