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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 5796219" data-attributes="member: 467">4th level? That's a pretty big step for having almost no attack or damage improvement, a few more spells and some extra hit points.I think you either had unusual experiences or are perhaps misremembering the Basic and AD&D orc issues. The biggest impact of those first few levels is improved survivability via higher hit points and versatility for casters. PCs don't get better saves or attacks until 4th at the earliest, meaning that orcs not only remain viable but actually become more interesting because the PCs aren't so fragile.As to superheroes -- what feels more superheroes than slaughtering scores of orcs in a single round? Also, I don't think anyone was talking about normal orcs being relevant at epic/end game levels.</blockquote>