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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 5796225" data-attributes="member: 53980">That's true of 3e, I'll grant you. (Unless you added class levels, in which case your epic orcs could be a threat at epic levels.)Not necessarily true of 2e. At least not in my experience. We encountered orcs well past 4th level in those days.They haven't said that at level 20 orcs will still be a threat. They just said that orcs will be viable longer. So, presumably, no one has said that you can't have what you're looking for.Now if your complaint is that you don't want orcs to be a threat after 4th level, I'd counter that they could still be a threat in earlier editions (aside from 3e) when encountered in large enough numbers. Hence, a good reason for them to remain so.</blockquote>