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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hakkenshi" data-source="post: 325386" data-attributes="member: 5457">I did a spin on this theme a few years back. The difference was that in my campaign, arcane magic had been abandoned centuries ago because people had realized the dangers. Over the years, magic had become so mythically feared that it was completely illegal, and everyone (or almost) was happier that way.Clerics were toned down in that players were warned that the Goddess (a three-fold deity) would not grant spells frivolously, and that in fact even basic healing spells were considered minor miracles. So clerics were balanced in that using spells too much resulted in them not being granted at all.It's a story element, and this was a very story-driven campaign. Very little combat.One thing you might consider if you're crippling mages is to raise HD to d6.Interestingly enough, I did the same as you for the bard and non-core spellcasters.</blockquote>