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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AdmundfortGeographer" data-source="post: 1344305" data-attributes="member: 4682">I don't disagree that it could be done. I just think that in some cases, to do so involves great unnecessarily complex steps, which in prior game editions were simpler.That is a problem with some Kits, but there are problems with PrCs, such as having to wait until at least 5 levels to take a level in one.  Besides, I have already said that I'm not looking to wholesale ditch certain D20 mechanics for Kits.  In fact, I'm not all that keen on cut-n-pasting Kits into D20.  I'm looking for examples of Kit-like innovations that don't have the cumbersomeness of existing D20 mechanics.I am well aware that Kits have limitations.  I have already said that some Kits were hit-or-miss.  I don't desire to do everything that Kits were used to do.  PrCs, Feats and Skills can often do that better, and in those cases, I intend to use them. But not every old Kit makes sense as a PrC, new Class, Feats, or Skills.Maybe an example of something where, IMO, a Kit handled it nicer. An example would be one where the full extent of the bonuses and hindrances were roleplaying in nature.  Such as a Noble Kit, or Savage Kit. In fact, no, I was not saying that, so I don't take offense.Regards,Eric Anondson</blockquote>