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<blockquote data-quote="overgeeked" data-source="post: 6663311" data-attributes="member: 86653">You're confusing the dominance of Tolkien-fantasy at the gaming table with science fiction not having established tropes. Just because the fantasy tropes are universal to the point that they're mind-numbingly dull doesn't mean that other genres (especially science fiction) do not have standard or recognizable tropes. I mean, <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScienceFiction" target="_blank">come on</a>.If you say fantasy we all think D&amp;D, aka murder hobos in a Tolkien-style fantasy setting... with a lot more magic. If you say cyberpunk we all think either Shadowrun or Cyberpunk 2020, aka a high-tech future that focuses on low-life characters... with a lot of guns. If you say space opera we all think Traveller. Time travel... Doctor Who. Transhumanism... Mindjammer. The fantasy genre is a lot more limited and narrowly focused to one tiny niche of the much wider genre, granted. It was the first and is still the most popular table-top RPG style on the market, of course. But I think there's a lot of you confusing that market dominance and established knowledge of what the expectations of fantasy games are and somehow turning that into science fiction games are unknowable. Nope. That's not the case. But since we're talking about tangential to the topic at hand, basically this entire thing is irrelevant to the original discussion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="overgeeked, post: 6663311, member: 86653"] You're confusing the dominance of Tolkien-fantasy at the gaming table with science fiction not having established tropes. Just because the fantasy tropes are universal to the point that they're mind-numbingly dull doesn't mean that other genres (especially science fiction) do not have standard or recognizable tropes. I mean, [URL="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScienceFiction"]come on[/URL]. If you say fantasy we all think D&D, aka murder hobos in a Tolkien-style fantasy setting... with a lot more magic. If you say cyberpunk we all think either Shadowrun or Cyberpunk 2020, aka a high-tech future that focuses on low-life characters... with a lot of guns. If you say space opera we all think Traveller. Time travel... Doctor Who. Transhumanism... Mindjammer. The fantasy genre is a lot more limited and narrowly focused to one tiny niche of the much wider genre, granted. It was the first and is still the most popular table-top RPG style on the market, of course. But I think there's a lot of you confusing that market dominance and established knowledge of what the expectations of fantasy games are and somehow turning that into science fiction games are unknowable. Nope. That's not the case. But since we're talking about tangential to the topic at hand, basically this entire thing is irrelevant to the original discussion. [/QUOTE]

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