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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 5846169" data-attributes="member: 3424">Frankly, I don't see the need for expected wealth levels at all, although I will happily use them as they make it easier (oh, so much easier) to manage treasure and equipment in my campaign.What I do see the need for is guidelines for the relationship between PC power, magic item power and monster power. 3e and 4e basically took the approach that a party of level X PCs, each equipped with the magic items that a PC of level X was supposed to have, should be able to take on a monster of CR X (3e)/an equal number of level X monsters (4e), presumably on the basis of simplicity since there would be no need for additional math - just a simple check that all the numbers tally.Taking magic items out of that base relationship doesn't change the math. It just means that you need to do more calculations when (and if) you give magic items to the PCs. So, if a PC of level X, without magic items, is able to take on a monster of level X, give the PC a magic item of power level Y, and he will be able to take on a monster of level Z, where Z is some function of X and Y.At its simplest, Y can just be additive, and maybe even fractional. Adding a powerful magic item could increase the PC's effective level by 1 or 2. Adding a weak item might increase it by 1/3 - not enough to make much of a difference, but adding another two of the same power might bump the PC's effective level up by 1.</blockquote>

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