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<blockquote data-quote="tomBitonti" data-source="post: 6051788" data-attributes="member: 13107">To say, adding damage from str has these problems:*) Str &quot;double dips&quot; to improve attacks: Higher attack bonus and more damage!*) Str overwhelms the value of the weapon.&nbsp; The difference between 1d6 and 1d8 is tiny compared to +6 (or +9) that a high strength raging barbarian has (from 3E).On the other hand, high strength means:*) Faster attacks, which will be harder to dodge.*) Higher energy attacks (either faster or more massive).&nbsp; Either way, more damage.Plus:*) Str benefiting both attack bonus and damage is well entrenched in the game system.3E tried to balance this by making Str a higher value stat.&nbsp; That is, as a racial bonus, Str was valued at twice other stats.&nbsp; That didn't really work, since point allocations didn't work with the higher valuation, neither did the allocations every four levels, nor did stat bonus items.Somewhere in this mix, there is Power Attack, which lets you trade attack bonus for damage.Since stats have largely moved away from a bell curve interpretation of the old stat generation (roll 3d6), instead having more of a linear feel, I'm ... maybe ... OK with having Str provide a linear bonus.&nbsp; That is, providing a bonus only to attack bonus, but with an automatic power attack type ability to allow convertion of the strength bonus from an attack bonus to a damage bonus.However, there are other non-linear ability bonuses: Dex for both AC and ranged attack bonus, or as a finesse bonus to melee.&nbsp; Should finesse when applied to melee not also be linearized, so that if you apply finesse to a melee attack you lose the same from your AC?TomB</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tomBitonti, post: 6051788, member: 13107"] To say, adding damage from str has these problems: *) Str "double dips" to improve attacks: Higher attack bonus and more damage! *) Str overwhelms the value of the weapon. The difference between 1d6 and 1d8 is tiny compared to +6 (or +9) that a high strength raging barbarian has (from 3E). On the other hand, high strength means: *) Faster attacks, which will be harder to dodge. *) Higher energy attacks (either faster or more massive). Either way, more damage. Plus: *) Str benefiting both attack bonus and damage is well entrenched in the game system. 3E tried to balance this by making Str a higher value stat. That is, as a racial bonus, Str was valued at twice other stats. That didn't really work, since point allocations didn't work with the higher valuation, neither did the allocations every four levels, nor did stat bonus items. Somewhere in this mix, there is Power Attack, which lets you trade attack bonus for damage. Since stats have largely moved away from a bell curve interpretation of the old stat generation (roll 3d6), instead having more of a linear feel, I'm ... maybe ... OK with having Str provide a linear bonus. That is, providing a bonus only to attack bonus, but with an automatic power attack type ability to allow convertion of the strength bonus from an attack bonus to a damage bonus. However, there are other non-linear ability bonuses: Dex for both AC and ranged attack bonus, or as a finesse bonus to melee. Should finesse when applied to melee not also be linearized, so that if you apply finesse to a melee attack you lose the same from your AC? TomB [/QUOTE]

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