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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9604430" data-attributes="member: 6790260">The rest of your post is quite thorough and reflects good playtesting practice (which, believe me, I don't say that very often!), but I wanted to pull this part out for comment because it...just comes across as kind of self-contradictory.On the one hand, you say &quot;my veteran group has [effectively never] had a problem with feeling that non-casters are overshadowed.&quot; But then you say &quot;amongst groups that accept that the world-changing non-combat stuff in D&amp;D is exclusively for caster classes&quot;.Like, even apart from the optimization thing and the false dichotomy you've asserted with it, I don't see how those two statements can possibly be reconciled. That is quite literally saying, &quot;My players have accepted that being a non-caster means being overshadowed by the casters.&quot; It's not that they don't feel overshadowed--it's that they've decided not to care about it.Are you intending to do anything equivalent for non-casters?Because, well, this is a pretty major power-up. Even if your martials don't care about being overshadowed, you've just massively expanded the list of potent, effective spells. While that is a major boon for anyone who wants to use spells, I could certainly see even your group feeling like that's giving a major benefit to casters while doing nothing at all for non-casters. I know you said that this post was about those caster effects, but it would seem reasonable to me to offer something, even if not nearly so dramatic as this power-up, to your non-caster players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9604430, member: 6790260"] The rest of your post is quite thorough and reflects good playtesting practice (which, believe me, [I]I don't say that very often![/I]), but I wanted to pull this part out for comment because it...just comes across as kind of self-contradictory. On the one hand, you say "my veteran group has [effectively never] had a problem with feeling that non-casters are overshadowed." But then you say "amongst groups that accept that the world-changing non-combat stuff in D&D is exclusively for caster classes". Like, even apart from the optimization thing and the false dichotomy you've asserted with it, I don't see how those two statements can possibly be reconciled. That is [I]quite literally[/I] saying, "My players have [I]accepted[/I] that being a non-caster means being overshadowed by the casters." It's not that they don't feel overshadowed--it's that they've decided not to care about it. Are you intending to do anything equivalent for non-casters? Because, well, this is a pretty major power-up. Even if your martials don't care about being overshadowed, you've just massively expanded the list of potent, effective spells. While that is a major boon for anyone who wants to use spells, I could certainly see even your group feeling like that's giving a major benefit to casters while doing nothing at all for non-casters. I know you said that this post was about those caster effects, but it would seem reasonable [I]to me[/I] to offer something, even if not nearly so dramatic as this power-up, to your non-caster players. [/QUOTE]

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