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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 4916838" data-attributes="member: 7635">Funny you mention trapfinding; out of all the games I've played recently, this is one of the areas 4e botched when it came to "improving" on 3e.The best trapfinder in the game is not a rogue; its a druid. The Druid is wisdom-prime AND has perception on his class list. Tack on a +2 wis race and/or a race with +2 perception (hello elf) and you have a trapfinder that can't be beat (extra cheese: throw on a background with a +2 perception boon). A rogue can't compete with that. Wisdom is a dump-stat for rogues (since it shares a load with charisma, which is infinitely more useful to all rogues, even brutals) and rogues get no bonus specifically to searching traps out. After 3 games with a minotaur druid and a human rogue, trapfinding became "Minotaur, do you see any traps I need to disable?"I'll give you two examples on how trapfinding could have been better handled without resorting to "you must have this class ability to find traps". Pathfinder: Anyone can use perception to find mechanical traps. Only rogues can find magical traps without resorting to spells. In addition, a rogue gets a bonus equal to 1/2 their level to find traps of any type, insuring they'll always have a higher bonus than another class with a similar rank in perception.Basic Fantasy: All classes can find traps 16% of the time (1 on 1d6). Thieves get the ability to find/remove traps (which begins at 15% on a d100) but increases with level, so that a 2nd level thief has 20%, a 3rd level 25%, etc. So while a fighter and a thief have roughly the same chance to find traps at 1st level (16%, +/- 1 pt), a 10th level thief has a 55% chance, while the fighter still only has 1 in 6. Both allow non-rogues/thief to search for traps, but maintain niche protection for the rogue/thief to be better at trapfinding. Ironically, 4e doesn't provide said niche protection to rogues, and thus rogues make worse trapfinders than any other class with a high-wisdom and perception training.</blockquote>

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