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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 4919316" data-attributes="member: 7635">Its a natural rejection of the 1e/2e/3e mindset where only one class can do something and the rest of you can bug off.  have no problem with letting others do something out of class (like trapfinding) as long as the class that is supposed to do that role is subsequently better at it than everyone else. Pathfinder removed the restriction, BFRPG removes it, D&D 4e does it. I. Each does it differently (my problem with 4e's method is that other classes do it BETTER than usually trapfinder class: rogue). (Then again, the rogue's main job isn't to be a sneak or trapfinder, but to deal massive damage in combat. So perhaps it makes sense after all...)Speaking of which...And how would that be? There's no rule for non-thieves (or dwarves in special cases) to determine a trap is set. NONE. Find me a quote, page #, or Dragon article that lets my fighter find a trap, and I'll agree. Oh, there is no rule for Pick-pocketing if your a fighter either. Its called Niche-protection. Yeah, but the PHB SPELLS OUT how badly a wizard can fight. He has the worst attack-rate, spelled-out poor weapon selection, and the -5 for fighting with a non-proficient weapon. I see no rule like that on trapfinding. Its really "Thieves can do this, dwarves in unique situations, and the rest of you are blind as a bat when it comes to trapfinding." Did you reply to the wrong thread? I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, other than you don't like 4e. Fine, I don't either. I gots my Pathfinder and BFRPG, you got your thing. Cool.</blockquote>

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