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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 4921232" data-attributes="member: 65637">And we reach hammers again <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad    :mad:"  data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" />.One of the reasons 3e was such a big deal was because it refined the NWP into the skill system - holy crap, you had skills now, things you did outside of combat!  No longer were you reduced to just a single charisma roll, now you could go in and either specialize into diplomacy or intimidate or bluffing, but you could also choose to generalize between then, or specialize fully in talking itself as a rogue or bard!  Dude, check it out - my ranger and druid both get survival, but my ranger totally has Track as a free feat!Was it flawed?  Yes.  But it was an attempt at giving the game more focus then just "CHSSST CHSSST RANDOM BATTLE!"And then 4e comes in and :|'s at this.This is why I, at least, find the game so homogenious.  We fight.  We fight.  We fight.  Skill challenge.  We fight.  By giving the non-fighting bits more rules behind them, the game shifted it's focus to include them more.  Again, yes, the skills system had its flaws.  But instead of fixing the flaws and building up on giving a robust out of combat set of mechanics for doing things that don't include smacking someone with a club, 4e just sort of threw it away and made skill challenges your one stop shop for "Ok we aren't fighting and my fingers are twitching."  And with the skills list so brutally cut short, the number of differences two rogues have outside of combat is even smaller.  Ok, sure, one wizard throws fire and does damage to enemies, the other...throws illusions and does damage to enemies, somehow, I guess, that's probably the lamest and dumbest thing about 4e.  But once the fight is done, the first wizard can't light things on fire.  The second wizard can't make illusions of doors.In before HOUSE RULES!</blockquote>

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