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<blockquote data-quote="ferratus" data-source="post: 4922417" data-attributes="member: 55966"><p>That wasn't the answer in my 3.5 days. Illusionary wall specifically says it does not impede objects from passing through it. It is specifically designed to break line of sight. If Silent Image can do the same, what is the point of illusionary wall? Being bigger doesn't justify three spell levels higher.</p><p></p><p>No I'm pretty sure silent image is an insubstantial, translucent image in 3.5. It is just meant to display something. Maybe you could use a bluff check to make it seem more realistic if the DM lets you, but it is more a 4e way of looking at things. Silent image is supposed to display an image, not cause a combat effect.</p><p></p><p>Prestidigitation allows you to create images, and it is to cover minor magical spells that do not cause damage, or otherwise disrupt opponents. So I see no reason why it can't create the same sort of images that silent image does. Minor and Major image would be covered by some sort of bluff check in addition to casting prestidigitation, with the bluff check and page 42 covering distraction or interaction with those you are trying to fool. </p><p></p><p>What we are actually missing is a ritual for a programmed illusion and simulacrums. Other than those two spells, I think we pretty much got the 3.5 PHB covered.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think it is covered, but if we actually need an illusion power that would allow someone to cast a sustained illusion of one square, a level 2 utility called "figment" could cover it. I don't think you should create an illusion spell that makes the creature interact with it as if it was real, because that would essentially make the spell the equivelant to summoning a warrior, putting on a negative to attack rolls, blinding them, restraining them, or stunning and immobilizing them. It is just too powerful a spell in that case, and isn't a good idea in 3e much less 4e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ferratus, post: 4922417, member: 55966"] That wasn't the answer in my 3.5 days. Illusionary wall specifically says it does not impede objects from passing through it. It is specifically designed to break line of sight. If Silent Image can do the same, what is the point of illusionary wall? Being bigger doesn't justify three spell levels higher. No I'm pretty sure silent image is an insubstantial, translucent image in 3.5. It is just meant to display something. Maybe you could use a bluff check to make it seem more realistic if the DM lets you, but it is more a 4e way of looking at things. Silent image is supposed to display an image, not cause a combat effect. Prestidigitation allows you to create images, and it is to cover minor magical spells that do not cause damage, or otherwise disrupt opponents. So I see no reason why it can't create the same sort of images that silent image does. Minor and Major image would be covered by some sort of bluff check in addition to casting prestidigitation, with the bluff check and page 42 covering distraction or interaction with those you are trying to fool. What we are actually missing is a ritual for a programmed illusion and simulacrums. Other than those two spells, I think we pretty much got the 3.5 PHB covered. I think it is covered, but if we actually need an illusion power that would allow someone to cast a sustained illusion of one square, a level 2 utility called "figment" could cover it. I don't think you should create an illusion spell that makes the creature interact with it as if it was real, because that would essentially make the spell the equivelant to summoning a warrior, putting on a negative to attack rolls, blinding them, restraining them, or stunning and immobilizing them. It is just too powerful a spell in that case, and isn't a good idea in 3e much less 4e. [/QUOTE]
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