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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 4930023" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>Honestly, I was involved in a lot of arguments over balance. It was constant.</p><p></p><p>And stating that this made it a glaring issue would be a gross mischaracterization. First and foremost the debates were mostly regarding new material. BO9S would be one of many, but a significant, example. That si hugely different than a flaw built into the core of the system.</p><p></p><p>Second, the debates that did get more to the heart of the system would be most accurately described as between groups of people who loved the game but had differences of opinion about where the balance point should be. </p><p></p><p>You characterize it as if everyone in the debates was unsatisfied with the game it self. Part of the beauty of the game was how easy it was to make it be the game you wanted. But then, of course, everyone wanted to convince everyone else that their balance point was the one true point of perfection. So group A was upset with group B because group B loved playing 3E in a way completely different than the way Group A loved playing 3E. They may have been at each others throats over balance, but they both went home and loved playing 3E.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying that there were not plenty of people who hated 3E. But the people who really had serious problems with 3E and yet were for some reason knee debate in balance debate after balance debate were a tiny fraction.</p><p></p><p>you are pointing at a bunch of people who argued over how best to love the game they loved and trying to present them as people who didn't like the game. And that is way off the mark.</p><p></p><p>It is funny, quite of few of people I used to argue with all the time are now my 3E holdout "allies".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 4930023, member: 957"] Honestly, I was involved in a lot of arguments over balance. It was constant. And stating that this made it a glaring issue would be a gross mischaracterization. First and foremost the debates were mostly regarding new material. BO9S would be one of many, but a significant, example. That si hugely different than a flaw built into the core of the system. Second, the debates that did get more to the heart of the system would be most accurately described as between groups of people who loved the game but had differences of opinion about where the balance point should be. You characterize it as if everyone in the debates was unsatisfied with the game it self. Part of the beauty of the game was how easy it was to make it be the game you wanted. But then, of course, everyone wanted to convince everyone else that their balance point was the one true point of perfection. So group A was upset with group B because group B loved playing 3E in a way completely different than the way Group A loved playing 3E. They may have been at each others throats over balance, but they both went home and loved playing 3E. I'm not saying that there were not plenty of people who hated 3E. But the people who really had serious problems with 3E and yet were for some reason knee debate in balance debate after balance debate were a tiny fraction. you are pointing at a bunch of people who argued over how best to love the game they loved and trying to present them as people who didn't like the game. And that is way off the mark. It is funny, quite of few of people I used to argue with all the time are now my 3E holdout "allies". [/QUOTE]
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