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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 4930417" data-attributes="member: 5202">Specialist mages and priests were sub-classes of the base class.  I never counted them as separate classes.  Bards were indeed in the 2E PHB, but they weren't all that.  Bards didn't get remotely decent until the Complete Bards Handbook came out.4E PHB has 8 classes Cleric, Fighter, Paladin, Ranger, Rogue, Warlock, Warlord, Wizard.  2E PHB had 8 non-sub-classes.  Replace Druids and Bards with Warlords and Warlocks.  You actually have more multi-class combinations in 4E b/c you can multi-class with anything. Yeah you have more magic items, but vast swaths of them were completely useless items most groups would never use or slight descriptor differences.  The 4E book provides an easy way to create a weapon with +X and an additional ability instead of having sword +1, sword +1, +2vs magic, sword +1, +2 vs fire, etc. all spelled out in the charts.WoTC was very upfront that they wanted the initial MM in 4E to be focused on things people would actually fight and browsing the list of monsters it is a more standard mix of creatures.  Never had a DM throw mephits at us, there are 8 jillion types of dragons over the years, werebears and tigers are far less common than werewolves, etc.  They were never going to have a book that had everything eveyrone wanted day 1, we have 35 years worth of creation to pick from and millions of opinions.</blockquote>