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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Freakohollik" data-source="post: 4932503" data-attributes="member: 43938">1. Fighter/rogue - Hardly a "suite of abilities", the only ability here that goes against your concept is sneak attack. Unless you will now expand your concept to not include dodging fireballs, surprise attacks, and traps. And, I still consider that a McFightsWell shouldn't be able to sneak attack a flimsy argument, as well as the idea of getting too many abilities.5. You addressed Pathfinder with a smiley face. While cute, it's not a very good argument. I believe your implication was that it's not 3e. Well I'll argue that if 3.0 and 3.5 can both be a part of "3e" there is room for pathfinder as well.You neglected to mention the swashbuckler option. It gets full base attack bonus, d10 hp, and the social skills you want. If you think it's too weak, take a few levels of fighter for the feats. Also, in 3e you can get along just fine as a melee fighter if you have 16 or so strength.You missed my core pure fighter build upthread <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/264420-removing-homogenity-d-d-4th-edition-19.html#post4928614" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/264420-removing-homogenity-d-d-4th-edition-19.html#post4928614</a>. I forgive you since it was only vaguely described.I'll also add that the crusader in tome of battle gets diplomacy as a class skill and can most definitely fight.Interesting of you to back down from your 4e stance, and I will definitely agree with you that 3e's skill system isn't perfect. But, I'll point out again that 3e's options come from its mutliclassing and feat systems, not from its skill system. I will forever believe that 3e is actually as diverse as I and many others in this thread believe it to be. I'll also note that I have never had a character concept, that I couldn't find a way to make work well enough for me. There are 4 core, and 4 more non-core options for your McFightsWell up there, and I suspect that if we provided that many more options again, you would dismiss them as not part of your concept which seems to be getting more and more exclusive with each post.</blockquote>

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