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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4933432" data-attributes="member: 22779">Ok, I think we're talking past each other.  Let me recap.  What I want is a Henry V style character.  He can belt out the monologues and convince people to do stuff, and he can mix it up with the best of them.  So, with that in mind:What I wantFull, or at least close to full attack bonusHeavy armorFull diplomacy ranks or at least close to full.What I don't wantSpellsMagical abilitiesAlignment restrictionsAbilities that a nobleman would not likely have.Now, from what I've seen, my choices are: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> the Cosmopolotin feat (non-core - Eberron Campaign Guide IIRC, so, 3.5),</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Greg K's don't play 3e, just make up your own rules option,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Burning a feat and going cross class (the only actual option out of core)</li> </ul>Again, I'm not talking about a unique snowflake here.  Commander Carrot from Pratchett fits this bill pretty well.  Any non-magical Knights of the Round Table sort also fits.  Whatsisface, Maximus from Gladiator fits this bill.  Heck, the guy from 300, I'm so bad with names, also works here.It's a pretty common archetype, yet, for all the vaunted options of 3e, I've actually got surprisingly few choices for making what I want.  And, most of those choices aren't a very good fit either.That's why I really question the idea that 3e actually contains as many options as people claim it does.  Heck, look at the long line of "how do I run low magic D&D" threads there were during the 3e days.  Every month you'd see someone else take a stab at it for years.  But, it never really fit because 3e assumes a highly magical setting.  Almost every class, baring rogue and fighter, comes with magic powers.  Again, if 3e had all these options that would cover all these different concepts, why is it that there were pretty much constant complaints that you couldn't cover some very basic concept with 3e?</blockquote>

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