Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="SSquirrel" data-source="post: 4936529" data-attributes="member: 5202">See I have problems with statements like this.  If you are level 10 and only have a 12 in the relevant skill and it is not a class skill, you have a whopping +6.  I fail to see how that is anywhere close to "as effective in a skill challenge as anyone else" when someone with a 14 stat and the skill as a class skill will be at +12 and someone with an 18, class skill and skill focus has a +17.  These all seem like reasonable tiers of focus in a skill and shows how wide the gap can really be.  Let's hope the Mage can come up with a good reason to use an Int based skill in this skill challenge for traversing a pit instead of making an atheletics check.  (No I don't need the examples, I can think of a few ideas off the top of my head)If the DC is 25 then Willy the Wizard will need a 19 to succeed, Wanda the Warlord needs a 13 and Fozzy the Fighter needs an 8.  Will it be difficult for Willy to succeed?  Yes, but in 3E he would have had only a +1 and it would have been impossible to succeed.  Here he has a low chance of contributing with the Athletics check (assuming he doesn't work some Int angle for fulcrums and leverage or whatever) and when he actually succeeds he will feel like a part of the team instead of just having to sit in the back and hope the rest of the party could manage something.I see this as an improvement.  If the numbers were +10, +12 and +14, then I could see complaints that there is no reward for specialization.  The gulf isnt' quite as wide in 4E as it was in 3E, but it is still there, clearly.</blockquote>

Verification