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<blockquote data-quote="Sylrae" data-source="post: 5022909" data-attributes="member: 48520">You could do this. I found the concept horrific. By the time they whittle them down, youre not even playing the same creature.I think this is a poor solution. Mechanically it works. Flavor-wise, if you strip the monster to those few abilities, that it becomes an LA+0 Race, and doesnt gain monster abilities, then its effectively no longer the same creature. Either its something else entirely, or the Monster in the Monster manual should be using the set of abilities you have as a base, and advance with player classes or something.As I said. mechanically it works. It's a &quot;Solution&quot; that I couldn't stomach, and was in fact the very first thing that stopped me from liking 4e. [spoiler]I picked up the MM on release day, flipped through it, saw the new monster system, saw that the Succubus and Dryad were stereotypical combat monsters, saw that they lost most of the cool abilities, and then looked for the racial mods of the monsters, and put it on the shelf disgusted at the content but liking the artwork. Then I picked up the PHB, flipped to the races, didn't like the selection of races, flipped to the classes, flipped to the casters, noticed a lack of multiclassing and a lack of mind affecting spells, and summoning spells, and pretty much all the cool things about wizards, and saw that mages were all evocation, and put the PHB back on the shelf disgusted. I've played through a couple games, and it played ok. I wouldnt call it a roleplaying game, but it makes an ok boredgame for an afternoon.[/spoiler]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sylrae, post: 5022909, member: 48520"] You could do this. I found the concept horrific. By the time they whittle them down, youre not even playing the same creature. I think this is a poor solution. Mechanically it works. Flavor-wise, if you strip the monster to those few abilities, that it becomes an LA+0 Race, and doesnt gain monster abilities, then its effectively no longer the same creature. Either its something else entirely, or the Monster in the Monster manual should be using the set of abilities you have as a base, and advance with player classes or something. As I said. mechanically it works. It's a "Solution" that I couldn't stomach, and was in fact the very first thing that stopped me from liking 4e. [spoiler]I picked up the MM on release day, flipped through it, saw the new monster system, saw that the Succubus and Dryad were stereotypical combat monsters, saw that they lost most of the cool abilities, and then looked for the racial mods of the monsters, and put it on the shelf disgusted at the content but liking the artwork. Then I picked up the PHB, flipped to the races, didn't like the selection of races, flipped to the classes, flipped to the casters, noticed a lack of multiclassing and a lack of mind affecting spells, and summoning spells, and pretty much all the cool things about wizards, and saw that mages were all evocation, and put the PHB back on the shelf disgusted. I've played through a couple games, and it played ok. I wouldnt call it a roleplaying game, but it makes an ok boredgame for an afternoon.[/spoiler] [/QUOTE]

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