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<blockquote data-quote="Kryx" data-source="post: 7168188" data-attributes="member: 6670944">The twf math is well established. You can find many examples of it around and I've included mine at the&nbsp; bottom.Using math that does not include the adventuring day, chance to hit, or a myriad of other factors makes that math rather unusable. You're also comparing it to a greatsword build for a class that doesn't even have gwf fighting style. That's rather disingenuous.Nerfing twf further from it's abysmal state in raw based on removing the bonus action is flawed. You're only buffing the ranger, not meaningfully adjusting the barbarian or fighter (minor boosts) or other twf classes.Twf needs no nerfs, even with the bonus action removed it's far behind GWM and PAM.<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d-9xDdath8kX_v7Rpts9JFIJwIG3X0-dDUtfax14NT0/edit#gid=202585225" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d-9xDdath8kX_v7Rpts9JFIJwIG3X0-dDUtfax14NT0/edit#gid=202585225</a> is my dpr math that shows the fighter doing 75% of GWM with twf. Ranger numbers are similar.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kryx, post: 7168188, member: 6670944"] The twf math is well established. You can find many examples of it around and I've included mine at the bottom. Using math that does not include the adventuring day, chance to hit, or a myriad of other factors makes that math rather unusable. You're also comparing it to a greatsword build for a class that doesn't even have gwf fighting style. That's rather disingenuous. Nerfing twf further from it's abysmal state in raw based on removing the bonus action is flawed. You're only buffing the ranger, not meaningfully adjusting the barbarian or fighter (minor boosts) or other twf classes. Twf needs no nerfs, even with the bonus action removed it's far behind GWM and PAM. [url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d-9xDdath8kX_v7Rpts9JFIJwIG3X0-dDUtfax14NT0/edit#gid=202585225[/url] is my dpr math that shows the fighter doing 75% of GWM with twf. Ranger numbers are similar. [/QUOTE]

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