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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TiQuinn" data-source="post: 9546499" data-attributes="member: 4871">I don’t think you need to get too high a level to start feeling the Quad Wizard, Linear Fighter problem - our group back in the early 90s during 2e was feeling it by around 8th level. I think the one thing that almost all D&D editions have been guilty of is that it a class has a disadvantage in an area relative to another, at some point there will be a class ability, subclass, spell, feat, or multiclass combo whose entire purpose is minimize that disadvantage, and things tend to spiral downward from there.I remember back in the Player’s Option system, one could “buy” really powerful abilities by cobbling together points gathered by taking on a number of insignificant disadvantages that were so minor that they never came into play in a meaningful way, but the advantage gained from what was bought was used in every single game. It’s why I personally think wizards should remain squishy (lower HP than any other class including rogues) and their armor options limited within D&D.</blockquote>